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Post by Aneira of Avaria on Jul 25, 2012 11:38:09 GMT -5
We should start developing the history between Avaria and Carneth, at least the history about their long-standing war. Post your ideas in response to this post. Guests may post their ideas in the Questions & Comments forum. Ideas could be battles, former kings in the past, and what fueled the war. Once we feel we have had more than enough information, we will develop a timeline of these ideas and see if everyone is in agreement with it. When everyone agrees to a possible timeline, it will be added to the History forum.
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Post by Isaac Comnenus on Aug 1, 2012 16:16:32 GMT -5
Its not uncommon for kingdoms to have long standing wars over borders, particullarly areas of land which they claim they have a long standing right to, either by vassalage or ethnicity. Perhaps one kingdom is larger, lets say Avaria, and has claim to a vast region that orginally belonged to Carneth. Avaria will argue that the fiefs here owe loyalty to Avarian Crown, while the people are Carneth by descent and the Kingdom of Carneth see this as a war of liberation.
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Post by Aneira of Avaria on Aug 1, 2012 16:24:55 GMT -5
Yes, that tends to be the reason for many medieval battles. But it could be something more than that. That could just be the reason they let known when there is really an underlying truth...perhaps something like a fallout between the ancient monarchies.
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Post by Isaac Comnenus on Aug 1, 2012 16:31:26 GMT -5
Underlying truth. Perhaps you have an idea you don't want to spoil. The other idea I had was a succession dispute between the two monarchs in ancient times. Perhaps one of the king's comes from a line of succession that has no legit claim to the throne.
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Post by Aneira of Avaria on Aug 1, 2012 16:46:20 GMT -5
No, not really. I know what I think along the lines, but I just don't know all the details, the reason I posted the thread. Ideas are needed for it, plus it's better to have a group effort.
I see where you're going. Henry VII of England's claim to the English and French Throne. For those of you who don't know history all that much, it was originally illegal for any descendant of John of Gaunt and Kathryn Swynford to take the Throne. HVII also claimed to have a claim to the French Throne, the French having the Salic Law which forbade any descendant of the Female Royals from taking up the Throne (HVII's grandfather, Owain Tudor, married Katherine de Valois).
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Post by Isaac Comnenus on Aug 1, 2012 18:44:07 GMT -5
Right, I don't want this to be a blood feud between two families and I want to see a little substance in the background on the original course of war and reason for hostilities.
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Post by Aneira of Avaria on Aug 1, 2012 19:03:26 GMT -5
I agree with you fully. The questions though are: - Who were the monarchs during the time?
- For what reason does Aravia have the claim to the land?
- What fiefdoms are apart of this land?
I think the claim could somewhat be through the marriage of a female Carneth royal and they could have something in place similar to the French Salic Law.
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Post by Isaac Comnenus on Aug 1, 2012 19:12:35 GMT -5
Like you said earlier we are going to haft to decide as a group who the Monarchs were at the time, and what fiefdoms or vassals switched sides so to speak.
If we go the route with Avaria we can say one of these fiefdoms, a larger more important one with a major city and several towns, the lord had his son swear loyalty to Avarian King and severed his loyalty to the Carneth Crown. Avaria occupies the fiefdom, and well the war breaks out from there.
We could go further with these ideas and intertwine them. Perhaps the lord who not swear loyalty to a monarch who obtained their crown through a female ruler.
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Post by Aneira of Avaria on Aug 1, 2012 19:40:26 GMT -5
If we go the route with Avaria we can say one of these fiefdoms, a larger more important one with a major city and several towns, the lord had his son swear loyalty to Avarian King and severed his loyalty to the Carneth Crown. Avaria occupies the fiefdom, and well the war breaks out from there. I like this idea and I think we can expand to it. Perhaps the Lord in this idea married a female Carneth Royal and their son marry an Avarian Princess, after swearing their allegiance to the crown. How about this Princess' brother, the King of Aravia, who they have sworn allegiance to, dies without issue due to a hunting accident, leaving the said Princess as his heir. Thus, they take the throne with the claim to the land. The new King could then wish to gain control over other Carneth lands based on his claim through his mother.
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Post by Isaac Comnenus on Aug 1, 2012 20:02:25 GMT -5
Not a bad idea. To make it less confusing, we might want to give them some names. We also may need to map out the kingdoms so we know whats is where and everything.
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Post by Aneira of Avaria on Aug 1, 2012 20:41:21 GMT -5
Let the name thinking begin! As for maps...I am all for it but despite my skills with background designs and sigs, I am terrible at map making. So if anyone would like to volunteer for that, please do!
My own ideas for possible names: Catreena Brighid Henry Rhodri
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Post by Isaac Comnenus on Aug 2, 2012 2:42:11 GMT -5
Well dont need a map, but at least a rough idea of what each region is like, including areas in dispute. As far as names go, if this lord became the King of Avaria, should his last name be the same as the current monarch?
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Post by Aneira of Avaria on Aug 2, 2012 15:24:34 GMT -5
We can arrange to have a list for each kingdom that could contain the north, east, west, and south. It could then be broken down into provinces and then even further into the villages/towns of each province. The province itself could be the fiefdom and the villages/towns would be those under the lord's control. And it can always be edited to fit new ones. E.g.If anyone would like to make a map based on this at anytime, feel free to do so - just give me a notice first. There are two possibilities for the last name: The Princess' husband takes on her name or they keep the name of his father, starting a new dynasty.
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Post by Isaac Comnenus on Aug 3, 2012 14:37:25 GMT -5
Should we have like provincial lords, and that other lords be their bannermen, in the same fashion as Westereos in a Song of Ice and fire.
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Post by Aneira of Avaria on Aug 3, 2012 20:52:37 GMT -5
We have something like that already: In order to try and remove confusion on who is who with titles and what titles are allowed, we only allow Lords or Ladies. A son or daughter of one are called either Nobleman or Noblewoman. These lordships are similar to medieval fiefs. Fiefs or fiefdoms are a plot of land ruled over by a Lord or Lady. They create their own laws for their land however they must obey whatever the King demands - the King is the ultimate authority.
They appoint the Constables to the individual villages that belong to their land. A Constable is like a small mayor of a village. They report back to their Lord/Lady, collect taxes, and enforce the laws granted by the Lord. They aren't nobles and don't have a grand estate, but they own a comfortable Manor House in their village. You would need to decide on who the Constable serves under as well as the name of the village.
To sum it all up - you may think as if the lordships/ladyships are miniature kingdoms ruled over by a High King.
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